From xqbao at yahoo.com Tue Nov 4 11:04:42 2003 From: xqbao at yahoo.com (xq bao) Date: Tue Nov 4 14:05:27 2003 Subject: [Hecdev] local connection files and meeting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031104190442.26680.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Steve, Skip created a director file and a flash file that can talk to each other and the server. The files are in testLocalConnect folder. Will you have time this Friday? So we can have a meeting. Thanks! Xiaoqiu __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From skip at skipcomer.com Sun Nov 9 13:53:20 2003 From: skip at skipcomer.com (Skip Comer) Date: Sun Nov 9 13:48:56 2003 Subject: [Hecdev] crashing OSX and Windows... In-Reply-To: <20031104190442.26680.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, I did some experimentation with the trouble we found Friday in the Flash->Director communication, and I think I've found a good solution. If you are not aware of what we've been working on, we had worked out a way to pass data between a browser and Director, using Flash localConnection objects, but the method we had been using to alert Director that some data had arrived to be processed was unreliable. We were using Flash's getURL command, which can call a Lingo handler. It was working about 2 out of 5 tries, which was not satisfactory. When we tried moving everything into Director, we set the Flash localConnection object up to call a Lingo handler directly with data from the server, and... it crashed Director, Explorer, and either OSX or Windows, depending on where we tried it. Not a good sign. So I've gone back to the previous method of loading the server data into the Flash movie running inside Director. This time, I set a string variable inside Flash when the data arrives, and have Director check the value of the Flash string variable in a frame loop. When we get the signal, we process the data. So far, it's worked every time. Here's the setup: We are still running xml_rpc_11_4.swf in a browser window. I've updated the .fla file on the server, because I'm not sure whether my version had been modified on Friday. presUI_11_09locConnTESTtest.dir is the file name for the Director movie that *won't* crash your system. Embedded within it is xml_rpc_11_9dir.swf, and the .fla file for that is on the server. All these files are in the testLocalConnect folder, and only the "edit" feature of the Director movie is working. Steve: I tried several variations of the setCallBack approach, and it seems to be the problem. I tried eliminating the arguments passed to the Lingo handler, and that caused differing levels of crashes. Director and Explorer would crash, but not the system, etc. I tried variations in the global variable I was passing the arguments to, etc., but setCallBack must be breaking some sort of rule with what it's doing with the data. --Skip From steve at spvi.com Sun Nov 9 14:32:03 2003 From: steve at spvi.com (Steve Spicklemire) Date: Sun Nov 9 14:32:40 2003 Subject: [Hecdev] Re: crashing OSX and Windows... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <657D529C-12EB-11D8-A3EB-000393468020@spvi.com> Hi Skip, On Nov 9, 2003, at 1:53 PM, Skip Comer wrote: > Hi, > > I did some experimentation with the trouble we found Friday in the > Flash->Director communication, and I think I've found a good solution. > > If you are not aware of what we've been working on, we had worked out > a way to pass data between a browser and Director, using Flash > localConnection objects, but the method we had been using to alert > Director that some data had arrived to be processed was unreliable. > We were using Flash's getURL command, which can call a Lingo handler. > It was working about 2 out of 5 tries, which was not satisfactory. > > When we tried moving everything into Director, we set the Flash > localConnection object up to call a Lingo handler directly with data > from the server, and... it crashed Director, Explorer, and either OSX > or Windows, depending on where we tried it. Not a good sign. > > So I've gone back to the previous method of loading the server data > into the Flash movie running inside Director. This time, I set a > string variable inside Flash when the data arrives, and have Director > check the value of the Flash string variable in a frame loop. When we > get the signal, we process the data. So far, it's worked every time. It will be tricky when there are two flash objects using this method at the same time. ;-( But maybe we can work that out. > > Here's the setup: > > We are still running xml_rpc_11_4.swf in a browser window. I've > updated the .fla file on the server, because I'm not sure whether my > version had been modified on Friday. > > presUI_11_09locConnTESTtest.dir is the file name for the Director > movie that *won't* crash your system. Embedded within it is > xml_rpc_11_9dir.swf, and the .fla file for that is on the server. All > these files are in the testLocalConnect folder, and only the "edit" > feature of the Director movie is working. > > Steve: > > I tried several variations of the setCallBack approach, and it seems > to be the problem. I tried eliminating the arguments passed to the > Lingo handler, and that caused differing levels of crashes. Director > and Explorer would crash, but not the system, etc. I tried variations > in the global variable I was passing the arguments to, etc., but > setCallBack must be breaking some sort of rule with what it's doing > with the data. WHen I tested it, each time the code got to 'go to "spStart"' the lingo interpreter would call the 'allowDomain' hander again, implying it had gotten another incoming message. What does spStart do? on rpcData --this runs when the xml parsing flash movie receives data put "rpc notice" go to "spStart" <----- right here.. I'll try to test that out some more today. I think that somehow we are getting multiple callbacks when we only expect one. But since it worked *before* we invoked rpcData, it's something in there. -steve > > --Skip From steve at spvi.com Sun Nov 9 15:08:16 2003 From: steve at spvi.com (Steve Spicklemire) Date: Sun Nov 9 15:08:51 2003 Subject: [Hecdev] update close... Message-ID: <749DEA33-12F0-11D8-A3EB-000393468020@spvi.com> I need to stop now... but a major update is close... tonight or tomorrow... I'll keep you posted! -Steve From maryp at iupui.edu Wed Nov 12 08:36:15 2003 From: maryp at iupui.edu (Mary Pietrowicz) Date: Wed Nov 12 09:37:28 2003 Subject: [Hecdev] Metadata meeting Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20031112083326.01cb41d0@magiclamp.org> Hi, I will not be attending the metadata meeting this afternoon. So there is an open seat. :-) Mary From steve at spvi.com Thu Nov 13 16:40:42 2003 From: steve at spvi.com (Steve Spicklemire) Date: Thu Nov 13 16:41:23 2003 Subject: [Hecdev] FYI... more code about to land.. Message-ID: <0811C3E8-1622-11D8-9012-000393468020@spvi.com> Hi Folks, I'm going to set up a separate development instance of Zope to have folks start playing with the next iteration of the CMF content objects. I've made a ton of changes underneath, but the external interface is very similar to the ones we're using now. Skip, I've also got the start of a castmember that takes care of most of the "hard work" of setting up the local connection for you and also handles multiple flash members talking to the server at the same time, as well (I think!) as using the instant XML stuff.... more soon! -steve From skip at skipcomer.com Fri Nov 14 14:00:46 2003 From: skip at skipcomer.com (Skip Comer) Date: Mon Nov 17 12:20:40 2003 Subject: [Hecdev] FYI... more code about to land.. In-Reply-To: <0811C3E8-1622-11D8-9012-000393468020@spvi.com> Message-ID: Hi Steve, we were just speculating about whether we would get together with you tomorrow... Xiaoqiu and I will be working here. If you want to meet us and go through the new material, just let me know. We seem to have good air today :) I've been making good progress with the setup we've worked out so far with the local connection objects --but things have just gone crazy with flash and director for some reason. Director has suddenly become unable to see functions in the Flash movie that it's been talking to for a couple of weeks. It's a real mystery... solar storms or something. I'll try to sort it out by tomorrow. --Skip On Thursday, November 13, 2003, at 04:40 PM, Steve Spicklemire wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > I'm going to set up a separate development instance of Zope to have > folks start playing with the next iteration of the CMF content > objects. I've made a ton of changes underneath, but the external > interface is very similar to the ones we're using now. Skip, I've also > got the start of a castmember that takes care of most of the "hard > work" of setting up the local connection for you and also handles > multiple flash members talking to the server at the same time, as well > (I think!) as using the instant XML stuff.... more soon! > > -steve > > _______________________________________________ > Hecdev mailing list > Hecdev@spvi.com > http://mailman.spvi.com/mailman/listinfo/hecdev From skip at skipcomer.com Mon Nov 17 13:47:09 2003 From: skip at skipcomer.com (Skip Comer) Date: Mon Nov 17 13:42:31 2003 Subject: [Hecdev] FYI... more code about to land.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <72BD38A2-192E-11D8-9679-000393A575D2@skipcomer.com> Hi Steve, just ignore that last message --it's the one I couldn't send out from last week... --Skip On Friday, November 14, 2003, at 02:00 PM, Skip Comer wrote: > Hi Steve, > > we were just speculating about whether we would get together with you > tomorrow... Xiaoqiu and I will be working here. If you want to meet > us and go through the new material, just let me know. We seem to have > good air today :) > > I've been making good progress with the setup we've worked out so far > with the local connection objects --but things have just gone crazy > with flash and director for some reason. Director has suddenly become > unable to see functions in the Flash movie that it's been talking to > for a couple of weeks. It's a real mystery... solar storms or > something. I'll try to sort it out by tomorrow. > > --Skip > > On Thursday, November 13, 2003, at 04:40 PM, Steve Spicklemire wrote: > >> >> Hi Folks, >> >> I'm going to set up a separate development instance of Zope to have >> folks start playing with the next iteration of the CMF content >> objects. I've made a ton of changes underneath, but the external >> interface is very similar to the ones we're using now. Skip, I've >> also got the start of a castmember that takes care of most of the >> "hard work" of setting up the local connection for you and also >> handles multiple flash members talking to the server at the same >> time, as well (I think!) as using the instant XML stuff.... more >> soon! >> >> -steve >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hecdev mailing list >> Hecdev@spvi.com >> http://mailman.spvi.com/mailman/listinfo/hecdev > > _______________________________________________ > Hecdev mailing list > Hecdev@spvi.com > http://mailman.spvi.com/mailman/listinfo/hecdev From skip at skipcomer.com Mon Nov 17 14:26:50 2003 From: skip at skipcomer.com (Skip Comer) Date: Mon Nov 17 14:22:12 2003 Subject: [Hecdev] Tuesday's meeting In-Reply-To: <72BD38A2-192E-11D8-9679-000393A575D2@skipcomer.com> Message-ID: Hi, I've been very sick over the weekend, and I don't think I should try to make the Tuesday meeting tomorrow. Why don't you communicate among yourselves about whether to meet tomorrow or not. Ren is working on some story boards for the food selection interface, which I'd like to share with everyone as soon as possible. Maybe we could look at those before the Thursday afternoon committee meeting. We spent a good amount of time working through the logic for the food selection UI last week, and distilled it down to some fairly clean logic. After we've worked out the various modes for selecting the foods (keyword, categories, saved sets, and meals), we will only need to have a toggle for whether to show the graph, and a toggle for whether or not we are building meals, and --if we are building meals-- a "new/save" button. We will simply divide the screen into quadrants as we drag each food (or each meal) onto the display area. If we drag individual foods onto the display area while we have the meal toggle active, the food will be added to the meal we drop it onto. If we click the "new/save" button, the display will open a new meal quadrant, and any meals on the screen are saved. The graph will display for all the foods/meals if the graph toggle is active. We are thinking there should be maybe 3-4 sets of nutrients for the graph display. The teacher should be able to click on one of these standard sets and see fat-protein-calories, vitaminC-vitaminA-vitaminB, etc. There would be a way to open a more complicated control panel to select custom sets of nutrients. Ren's graphics will demonstrate how this works, so we can discuss it and refine the ideas further. Let me know whether you can meet on Thursday about 1:00. --Skip From maryp at iupui.edu Mon Nov 17 15:26:55 2003 From: maryp at iupui.edu (Mary Pietrowicz) Date: Mon Nov 17 16:28:13 2003 Subject: [Hecdev] Tuesday's meeting In-Reply-To: References: <72BD38A2-192E-11D8-9679-000393A575D2@skipcomer.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20031117151222.02589450@imap0.iupui.edu> Hi, It sounds as though it would make sense to meet Thursday instead... Does anyone have anything for a meeting on Tuesday? Skip - hope you are feeling better. Mary At 02:26 PM 11/17/2003 -0500, Skip Comer wrote: >Hi, > >I've been very sick over the weekend, and I don't think I should try to >make the Tuesday meeting tomorrow. Why don't you communicate among >yourselves about whether to meet tomorrow or not. > >Ren is working on some story boards for the food selection interface, >which I'd like to share with everyone as soon as possible. Maybe we could >look at those before the Thursday afternoon committee meeting. >We spent a good amount of time working through the logic for the food >selection UI last week, and distilled it down to some fairly clean logic. > >After we've worked out the various modes for selecting the foods (keyword, >categories, saved sets, and meals), we will only need to have a toggle >for whether to show the graph, and a toggle for whether or not we are >building meals, and --if we are building meals-- a "new/save" button. We >will simply divide the screen into quadrants as we drag each food (or each >meal) onto the display area. If we drag individual foods onto the display >area while we have the meal toggle active, the food will be added to the >meal we drop it onto. If we click the "new/save" button, the display will >open a new meal quadrant, and any meals on the screen are saved. The >graph will display for all the foods/meals if the graph toggle is active. > >We are thinking there should be maybe 3-4 sets of nutrients for the graph >display. The teacher should be able to click on one of these standard >sets and see fat-protein-calories, vitaminC-vitaminA-vitaminB, etc. There >would be a way to open a more complicated control panel to select custom >sets of nutrients. > >Ren's graphics will demonstrate how this works, so we can discuss it and >refine the ideas further. > >Let me know whether you can meet on Thursday about 1:00. > >--Skip > >_______________________________________________ >Hecdev mailing list >Hecdev@spvi.com >http://mailman.spvi.com/mailman/listinfo/hecdev > > From verlynw at rlhec.org Mon Nov 17 19:12:34 2003 From: verlynw at rlhec.org (Verlyn C. Wilson) Date: Mon Nov 17 19:13:18 2003 Subject: [Hecdev] Tuesday's meeting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* Skip, Hope you are feeling better--Thursday at 1pm is fine, I think. I'll check my calendar tomorrow. Verlyn On Monday, November 17, 2003, at 02:26 PM, Skip Comer wrote: > *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) > Pro* > Hi, > > I've been very sick over the weekend, and I don't think I should try > to make the Tuesday meeting tomorrow. Why don't you communicate among > yourselves about whether to meet tomorrow or not. > > Ren is working on some story boards for the food selection interface, > which I'd like to share with everyone as soon as possible. Maybe we > could look at those before the Thursday afternoon committee meeting. > We spent a good amount of time working through the logic for the food > selection UI last week, and distilled it down to some fairly clean > logic. > > After we've worked out the various modes for selecting the foods > (keyword, categories, saved sets, and meals), we will only need to > have a toggle for whether to show the graph, and a toggle for whether > or not we are building meals, and --if we are building meals-- a > "new/save" button. We will simply divide the screen into quadrants as > we drag each food (or each meal) onto the display area. If we drag > individual foods onto the display area while we have the meal toggle > active, the food will be added to the meal we drop it onto. If we > click the "new/save" button, the display will open a new meal > quadrant, and any meals on the screen are saved. The graph will > display for all the foods/meals if the graph toggle is active. > > We are thinking there should be maybe 3-4 sets of nutrients for the > graph display. The teacher should be able to click on one of these > standard sets and see fat-protein-calories, > vitaminC-vitaminA-vitaminB, etc. There would be a way to open a more > complicated control panel to select custom sets of nutrients. > > Ren's graphics will demonstrate how this works, so we can discuss it > and refine the ideas further. > > Let me know whether you can meet on Thursday about 1:00. > > --Skip > > _______________________________________________ > Hecdev mailing list > Hecdev@spvi.com > http://mailman.spvi.com/mailman/listinfo/hecdev > Verlyn C. Wilson,M.S. Technology Coordinator Ruth Lilly Health Education Center 2055 N Senate Ave Indianapolis,IN 46202 Phone: 317-924-0904 e-mail: verlynw@rlhec.org From verlynw at rlhec.org Tue Nov 18 09:44:07 2003 From: verlynw at rlhec.org (Verlyn C. Wilson) Date: Tue Nov 18 09:44:32 2003 Subject: [Hecdev] Tuesday's meeting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* Hi everyone, Thursday at 1pm looks fine for me. By the way, Vince did not receive the group e-mail about the canceling of our Tuesday morning meeting. You might check to make sure he is on the list. Verlyn On Monday, November 17, 2003, at 07:12 PM, Verlyn C. Wilson wrote: > *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) > Pro* > *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) > Pro* > Skip, > Hope you are feeling better--Thursday at 1pm is fine, I think. I'll > check my calendar tomorrow. Verlyn > On Monday, November 17, 2003, at 02:26 PM, Skip Comer wrote: > >> *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) >> Pro* >> Hi, >> >> I've been very sick over the weekend, and I don't think I should try >> to make the Tuesday meeting tomorrow. Why don't you communicate >> among yourselves about whether to meet tomorrow or not. >> >> Ren is working on some story boards for the food selection interface, >> which I'd like to share with everyone as soon as possible. Maybe we >> could look at those before the Thursday afternoon committee meeting. >> We spent a good amount of time working through the logic for the food >> selection UI last week, and distilled it down to some fairly clean >> logic. >> >> After we've worked out the various modes for selecting the foods >> (keyword, categories, saved sets, and meals), we will only need to >> have a toggle for whether to show the graph, and a toggle for whether >> or not we are building meals, and --if we are building meals-- a >> "new/save" button. We will simply divide the screen into quadrants >> as we drag each food (or each meal) onto the display area. If we >> drag individual foods onto the display area while we have the meal >> toggle active, the food will be added to the meal we drop it onto. >> If we click the "new/save" button, the display will open a new meal >> quadrant, and any meals on the screen are saved. The graph will >> display for all the foods/meals if the graph toggle is active. >> >> We are thinking there should be maybe 3-4 sets of nutrients for the >> graph display. The teacher should be able to click on one of these >> standard sets and see fat-protein-calories, >> vitaminC-vitaminA-vitaminB, etc. There would be a way to open a more >> complicated control panel to select custom sets of nutrients. >> >> Ren's graphics will demonstrate how this works, so we can discuss it >> and refine the ideas further. >> >> Let me know whether you can meet on Thursday about 1:00. >> >> --Skip >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hecdev mailing list >> Hecdev@spvi.com >> http://mailman.spvi.com/mailman/listinfo/hecdev >> > Verlyn C. Wilson,M.S. Technology Coordinator > Ruth Lilly Health Education Center > 2055 N Senate Ave > Indianapolis,IN 46202 Phone: 317-924-0904 > > e-mail: verlynw@rlhec.org > > _______________________________________________ > Hecdev mailing list > Hecdev@spvi.com > http://mailman.spvi.com/mailman/listinfo/hecdev > Verlyn C. Wilson, Technology Coordinator Ruth Lilly Health Education Center 2055 N Senate Ave Indianapolis,IN 46202 Phone: 317-924-0904 e-mail: verlynw@rlhec.org From renhuang at iupui.edu Tue Nov 18 23:34:58 2003 From: renhuang at iupui.edu (RenJiun) Date: Tue Nov 18 10:35:54 2003 Subject: [Hecdev] Tuesday's meeting Message-ID: <1069169698.26122.jared@mail2000.com.tw> Hi Skip, How are you? wish you will get well soon. I already done the storyboards for Food Display UI and also print out some Black and White paper copies for every team member. Will you want me bring to you when you come in office in these days before your Thrusday meeting? I believe we better to discuss the content of storyboards for making sure I didn't miss any point before you present them. :) I also prepared a PowerPoint version for you, in case you may want to show on computer. I think it may will be more interesting to show in full color mood. :) Ren -----Original message----- From:Skip Comer To:HEC Development Date:Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:26:50 -0500 Subject:[Hecdev] Tuesday's meeting Hi, I've been very sick over the weekend, and I don't think I should try to make the Tuesday meeting tomorrow. Why don't you communicate among yourselves about whether to meet tomorrow or not. Ren is working on some story boards for the food selection interface, which I'd like to share with everyone as soon as possible. Maybe we could look at those before the Thursday afternoon committee meeting. We spent a good amount of time working through the logic for the food selection UI last week, and distilled it down to some fairly clean logic. After we've worked out the various modes for selecting the foods (keyword, categories, saved sets, and meals), we will only need to have a toggle for whether to show the graph, and a toggle for whether or not we are building meals, and --if we are building meals-- a "new/save" button. We will simply divide the screen into quadrants as we drag each food (or each meal) onto the display area. If we drag individual foods onto the display area while we have the meal toggle active, the food will be added to the meal we drop it onto. If we click the "new/save" button, the display will open a new meal quadrant, and any meals on the screen are saved. The graph will display for all the foods/meals if the graph toggle is active. We are thinking there should be maybe 3-4 sets of nutrients for the graph display. The teacher should be able to click on one of these standard sets and see fat-protein-calories, vitaminC-vitaminA-vitaminB, etc. There would be a way to open a more complicated control panel to select custom sets of nutrients. Ren's graphics will demonstrate how this works, so we can discuss it and refine the ideas further. Let me know whether you can meet on Thursday about 1:00. --Skip _______________________________________________ Hecdev mailing list Hecdev@spvi.com http://mailman.spvi.com/mailman/listinfo/hecdev From renhuang at iupui.edu Tue Nov 18 23:43:59 2003 From: renhuang at iupui.edu (RenJiun) Date: Tue Nov 18 10:44:47 2003 Subject: Fw: Re: [Hecdev] Tuesday's meeting Message-ID: <1069170239.29758.jared@mail2000.com.tw> Hi Skip, How are you? wish you will get well soon. I already done the storyboards for Food Display UI and also print out some Black and White paper copies for every team member. Will you want me bring to you when you come in office in these days before your Thrusday meeting? I believe we better to discuss the content of storyboards for making sure I didn't miss any point before you present them. :) I also prepared a PowerPoint version for you, in case you may want to show on computer. I think it may will be more interesting to show in full color mode. :) Ren -----Original message----- From:Skip Comer To:HEC Development Date:Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:26:50 -0500 Subject:[Hecdev] Tuesday's meeting Hi, I've been very sick over the weekend, and I don't think I should try to make the Tuesday meeting tomorrow. Why don't you communicate among yourselves about whether to meet tomorrow or not. Ren is working on some story boards for the food selection interface, which I'd like to share with everyone as soon as possible. Maybe we could look at those before the Thursday afternoon committee meeting. We spent a good amount of time working through the logic for the food selection UI last week, and distilled it down to some fairly clean logic. After we've worked out the various modes for selecting the foods (keyword, categories, saved sets, and meals), we will only need to have a toggle for whether to show the graph, and a toggle for whether or not we are building meals, and --if we are building meals-- a "new/save" button. We will simply divide the screen into quadrants as we drag each food (or each meal) onto the display area. If we drag individual foods onto the display area while we have the meal toggle active, the food will be added to the meal we drop it onto. If we click the "new/save" button, the display will open a new meal quadrant, and any meals on the screen are saved. The graph will display for all the foods/meals if the graph toggle is active. We are thinking there should be maybe 3-4 sets of nutrients for the graph display. The teacher should be able to click on one of these standard sets and see fat-protein-calories, vitaminC-vitaminA-vitaminB, etc. There would be a way to open a more complicated control panel to select custom sets of nutrients. Ren's graphics will demonstrate how this works, so we can discuss it and refine the ideas further. Let me know whether you can meet on Thursday about 1:00. --Skip _______________________________________________ Hecdev mailing list Hecdev@spvi.com http://mailman.spvi.com/mailman/listinfo/hecdev From skip at skipcomer.com Tue Nov 18 15:37:15 2003 From: skip at skipcomer.com (Skip Comer) Date: Tue Nov 18 16:20:21 2003 Subject: [Hecdev] trouble with loading flash sprite's methods In-Reply-To: <1069170239.29758.jared@mail2000.com.tw> Message-ID: Xiaoqiu and Steve, Remember last week how the Flash sprite in Director would sometimes not have all it's functions available? --and you would get a crash as soon as Director called getXMLrpc? This was happening to me again today, so I started searching for the cause. Curiously, I didn't turn up much on the Macromedia site's search engine, but Google found some material for me --on the Macromedia site! go figure.... Apparently, if you load the Flash sprite into a global variable during a beginSprite handler, you don't necessarily get the whole thing, because it may still be loading into memory --but if you do it during an enterFrame event, the Flash sprite should be completely loaded in. So far, this seems to be working reliably. Before, the Object Inspector would show that the getXMLrpc function loaded intermittently from the beginSprite handler, but from the enterFrame event, I'm seeing it every time. --Skip From skip at skipcomer.com Tue Nov 18 13:02:38 2003 From: skip at skipcomer.com (Skip Comer) Date: Tue Nov 18 16:20:23 2003 Subject: [Hecdev] Tuesday's meeting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <653653BE-19F1-11D8-AD5D-000393A575D2@skipcomer.com> Hi, Sorry, I thought we had gotten Vince on the list. Maybe the address is not a good one. Steve, can you have a look to see what the trouble might be? Here's the most recent address I have for Vince: vinnie@sonarstudios.com --Skip On Tuesday, November 18, 2003, at 09:44 AM, Verlyn C. Wilson wrote: > *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) > Pro* > Hi everyone, > Thursday at 1pm looks fine for me. By the way, Vince did not > receive the group e-mail about the canceling of our Tuesday morning > meeting. You might check to make sure he is on the list. Verlyn > On Monday, November 17, 2003, at 07:12 PM, Verlyn C. Wilson wrote: > >> *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) >> Pro* >> *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) >> Pro* >> Skip, >> Hope you are feeling better--Thursday at 1pm is fine, I think. I'll >> check my calendar tomorrow. Verlyn >> On Monday, November 17, 2003, at 02:26 PM, Skip Comer wrote: >> >>> *This message was transferred with a trial version of >>> CommuniGate(tm) Pro* >>> Hi, >>> >>> I've been very sick over the weekend, and I don't think I should try >>> to make the Tuesday meeting tomorrow. Why don't you communicate >>> among yourselves about whether to meet tomorrow or not. >>> >>> Ren is working on some story boards for the food selection >>> interface, which I'd like to share with everyone as soon as >>> possible. Maybe we could look at those before the Thursday >>> afternoon committee meeting. We spent a good amount of time working >>> through the logic for the food selection UI last week, and distilled >>> it down to some fairly clean logic. >>> >>> After we've worked out the various modes for selecting the foods >>> (keyword, categories, saved sets, and meals), we will only need to >>> have a toggle for whether to show the graph, and a toggle for >>> whether or not we are building meals, and --if we are building >>> meals-- a "new/save" button. We will simply divide the screen into >>> quadrants as we drag each food (or each meal) onto the display area. >>> If we drag individual foods onto the display area while we have the >>> meal toggle active, the food will be added to the meal we drop it >>> onto. If we click the "new/save" button, the display will open a >>> new meal quadrant, and any meals on the screen are saved. The graph >>> will display for all the foods/meals if the graph toggle is active. >>> >>> We are thinking there should be maybe 3-4 sets of nutrients for the >>> graph display. The teacher should be able to click on one of these >>> standard sets and see fat-protein-calories, >>> vitaminC-vitaminA-vitaminB, etc. There would be a way to open a >>> more complicated control panel to select custom sets of nutrients. >>> >>> Ren's graphics will demonstrate how this works, so we can discuss it >>> and refine the ideas further. >>> >>> Let me know whether you can meet on Thursday about 1:00. >>> >>> --Skip >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Hecdev mailing list >>> Hecdev@spvi.com >>> http://mailman.spvi.com/mailman/listinfo/hecdev >>> >> Verlyn C. Wilson,M.S. Technology Coordinator >> Ruth Lilly Health Education Center >> 2055 N Senate Ave >> Indianapolis,IN 46202 Phone: 317-924-0904 >> >> e-mail: verlynw@rlhec.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hecdev mailing list >> Hecdev@spvi.com >> http://mailman.spvi.com/mailman/listinfo/hecdev >> > Verlyn C. Wilson, Technology Coordinator > Ruth Lilly Health Education Center > 2055 N Senate Ave > Indianapolis,IN 46202 Phone: 317-924-0904 > > e-mail: verlynw@rlhec.org > > _______________________________________________ > Hecdev mailing list > Hecdev@spvi.com > http://mailman.spvi.com/mailman/listinfo/hecdev From skip at skipcomer.com Tue Nov 18 13:09:58 2003 From: skip at skipcomer.com (Skip Comer) Date: Tue Nov 18 16:20:25 2003 Subject: [Hecdev] Tuesday's meeting In-Reply-To: <1069169698.26122.jared@mail2000.com.tw> Message-ID: <6BD2A2B6-19F2-11D8-AD5D-000393A575D2@skipcomer.com> Hi Ren, I'll check in with you tomorrow about looking at the story boards. Our office is still closed due to the carbon monoxide trouble, and I'm still not feeling very good, so I may not come to campus tomorrow. If you could post the storyboards on the server, I could have a look, and then discuss it with you. My connection from home is slow, so a folder of compressed jpegs would be the best way for me to see them. thanks, --Skip On Tuesday, November 18, 2003, at 10:34 AM, RenJiun wrote: > Hi Skip, > > How are you? > wish you will get well soon. > > I already done the storyboards for Food Display UI and also print out > some Black and White paper copies for every team member. Will you want > me bring to you when you come in office in these days before your > Thrusday > meeting? I believe we better to discuss the content of storyboards for > making sure I didn't miss any point before you present them. :) > > I also prepared a PowerPoint version for you, in case you may want to > show on computer. I think it may will be more interesting to show > in full color mood. :) > > > > Ren > > > > -----Original message----- > From:Skip Comer > To:HEC Development > Date:Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:26:50 -0500 > Subject:[Hecdev] Tuesday's meeting > > Hi, > > I've been very sick over the weekend, and I don't think I should try to > make the Tuesday meeting tomorrow. Why don't you communicate among > yourselves about whether to meet tomorrow or not. > > Ren is working on some story boards for the food selection interface, > which I'd like to share with everyone as soon as possible. Maybe we > could look at those before the Thursday afternoon committee meeting. > We spent a good amount of time working through the logic for the food > selection UI last week, and distilled it down to some fairly clean > logic. > > After we've worked out the various modes for selecting the foods > (keyword, categories, saved sets, and meals), we will only need to > have a toggle for whether to show the graph, and a toggle for whether > or not we are building meals, and --if we are building meals-- a > "new/save" button. We will simply divide the screen into quadrants as > we drag each food (or each meal) onto the display area. If we drag > individual foods onto the display area while we have the meal toggle > active, the food will be added to the meal we drop it onto. If we > click the "new/save" button, the display will open a new meal quadrant, > and any meals on the screen are saved. The graph will display for all > the foods/meals if the graph toggle is active. > > We are thinking there should be maybe 3-4 sets of nutrients for the > graph display. The teacher should be able to click on one of these > standard sets and see fat-protein-calories, vitaminC-vitaminA-vitaminB, > etc. There would be a way to open a more complicated control panel to > select custom sets of nutrients. > > Ren's graphics will demonstrate how this works, so we can discuss it > and refine the ideas further. > > Let me know whether you can meet on Thursday about 1:00. > > --Skip > > _______________________________________________ > Hecdev mailing list > Hecdev@spvi.com > http://mailman.spvi.com/mailman/listinfo/hecdev > > > _______________________________________________ > Hecdev mailing list > Hecdev@spvi.com > http://mailman.spvi.com/mailman/listinfo/hecdev From steve at spvi.com Tue Nov 18 16:59:58 2003 From: steve at spvi.com (Steve Spicklemire) Date: Tue Nov 18 17:00:40 2003 Subject: [Hecdev] Tuesday's meeting In-Reply-To: <653653BE-19F1-11D8-AD5D-000393A575D2@skipcomer.com> References: <653653BE-19F1-11D8-AD5D-000393A575D2@skipcomer.com> Message-ID: <8D06F64B-1A12-11D8-BC82-000393468020@spvi.com> Strange.. I remember adding him during the summer. Any chance that database has been restored from before then somehow? -steve On Nov 18, 2003, at 1:02 PM, Skip Comer wrote: > Hi, > > Sorry, I thought we had gotten Vince on the list. Maybe the address > is not a good one. Steve, can you have a look to see what the trouble > might be? Here's the most recent address I have for Vince: > > vinnie@sonarstudios.com > > --Skip > > > > > On Tuesday, November 18, 2003, at 09:44 AM, Verlyn C. Wilson wrote: > >> *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) >> Pro* >> Hi everyone, >> Thursday at 1pm looks fine for me. By the way, Vince did not >> receive the group e-mail about the canceling of our Tuesday morning >> meeting. You might check to make sure he is on the list. Verlyn >> On Monday, November 17, 2003, at 07:12 PM, Verlyn C. Wilson wrote: >> >>> *This message was transferred with a trial version of >>> CommuniGate(tm) Pro* >>> *This message was transferred with a trial version of >>> CommuniGate(tm) Pro* >>> Skip, >>> Hope you are feeling better--Thursday at 1pm is fine, I think. >>> I'll check my calendar tomorrow. Verlyn >>> On Monday, November 17, 2003, at 02:26 PM, Skip Comer wrote: >>> >>>> *This message was transferred with a trial version of >>>> CommuniGate(tm) Pro* >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I've been very sick over the weekend, and I don't think I should >>>> try to make the Tuesday meeting tomorrow. Why don't you >>>> communicate among yourselves about whether to meet tomorrow or not. >>>> >>>> Ren is working on some story boards for the food selection >>>> interface, which I'd like to share with everyone as soon as >>>> possible. Maybe we could look at those before the Thursday >>>> afternoon committee meeting. We spent a good amount of time >>>> working through the logic for the food selection UI last week, and >>>> distilled it down to some fairly clean logic. >>>> >>>> After we've worked out the various modes for selecting the foods >>>> (keyword, categories, saved sets, and meals), we will only need to >>>> have a toggle for whether to show the graph, and a toggle for >>>> whether or not we are building meals, and --if we are building >>>> meals-- a "new/save" button. We will simply divide the screen into >>>> quadrants as we drag each food (or each meal) onto the display >>>> area. If we drag individual foods onto the display area while we >>>> have the meal toggle active, the food will be added to the meal we >>>> drop it onto. If we click the "new/save" button, the display will >>>> open a new meal quadrant, and any meals on the screen are saved. >>>> The graph will display for all the foods/meals if the graph toggle >>>> is active. >>>> >>>> We are thinking there should be maybe 3-4 sets of nutrients for the >>>> graph display. The teacher should be able to click on one of these >>>> standard sets and see fat-protein-calories, >>>> vitaminC-vitaminA-vitaminB, etc. There would be a way to open a >>>> more complicated control panel to select custom sets of nutrients. >>>> >>>> Ren's graphics will demonstrate how this works, so we can discuss >>>> it and refine the ideas further. >>>> >>>> Let me know whether you can meet on Thursday about 1:00. >>>> >>>> --Skip >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Hecdev mailing list >>>> Hecdev@spvi.com >>>> http://mailman.spvi.com/mailman/listinfo/hecdev >>>> >>> Verlyn C. Wilson,M.S. Technology Coordinator >>> Ruth Lilly Health Education Center >>> 2055 N Senate Ave >>> Indianapolis,IN 46202 Phone: 317-924-0904 >>> >>> e-mail: verlynw@rlhec.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Hecdev mailing list >>> Hecdev@spvi.com >>> http://mailman.spvi.com/mailman/listinfo/hecdev >>> >> Verlyn C. Wilson, Technology Coordinator >> Ruth Lilly Health Education Center >> 2055 N Senate Ave >> Indianapolis,IN 46202 Phone: 317-924-0904 >> >> e-mail: verlynw@rlhec.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hecdev mailing list >> Hecdev@spvi.com >> http://mailman.spvi.com/mailman/listinfo/hecdev > > _______________________________________________ > Hecdev mailing list > Hecdev@spvi.com > http://mailman.spvi.com/mailman/listinfo/hecdev From skip at skipcomer.com Tue Nov 18 17:43:22 2003 From: skip at skipcomer.com (Skip Comer) Date: Tue Nov 18 17:38:49 2003 Subject: [Hecdev] Tuesday's meeting In-Reply-To: <8D06F64B-1A12-11D8-BC82-000393468020@spvi.com> Message-ID: <9D3DBCB8-1A18-11D8-AD5D-000393A575D2@skipcomer.com> Hi Steve, Yes, I remember when you added him in... I think it's been more recently than last summer ...?? Here's another mystery for you: Now that I have the Flash sprite reliably loading itself into Director, another strange thing is happening... I have several places in the Director movie when I ask for xml-rpc. The first one happens in a frame script about 3 frames in, after the Flash sprite has loaded in. The others happen in mouse down events for buttons. When the first frame script makes its request, I'm seeing a trace happen from the getXMLrpc function in the internal Flash movie, but I don't see the "translator" movie in the browser respond, and nothing comes back from the server. I can loop back to this frame script any number of times, and it doesn't behave any differently. If I click a button with a mouseDown handler that asks for xml-rpc, I get the original frame script's request executed and returned. After that, all the requests from frame scripts or mouseDown events work properly. Any ideas? --Skip On Tuesday, November 18, 2003, at 04:59 PM, Steve Spicklemire wrote: > Strange.. I remember adding him during the summer. Any chance that > database has been restored from before then somehow? > > -steve > > On Nov 18, 2003, at 1:02 PM, Skip Comer wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Sorry, I thought we had gotten Vince on the list. Maybe the address >> is not a good one. Steve, can you have a look to see what the >> trouble might be? Here's the most recent address I have for Vince: >> >> vinnie@sonarstudios.com >> >> --Skip >> >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, November 18, 2003, at 09:44 AM, Verlyn C. Wilson wrote: >> >>> *This message was transferred with a trial version of >>> CommuniGate(tm) Pro* >>> Hi everyone, >>> Thursday at 1pm looks fine for me. By the way, Vince did not >>> receive the group e-mail about the canceling of our Tuesday morning >>> meeting. You might check to make sure he is on the list. Verlyn >>> On Monday, November 17, 2003, at 07:12 PM, Verlyn C. Wilson wrote: >>> >>>> *This message was transferred with a trial version of >>>> CommuniGate(tm) Pro* >>>> *This message was transferred with a trial version of >>>> CommuniGate(tm) Pro* >>>> Skip, >>>> Hope you are feeling better--Thursday at 1pm is fine, I think. >>>> I'll check my calendar tomorrow. Verlyn >>>> On Monday, November 17, 2003, at 02:26 PM, Skip Comer wrote: >>>> >>>>> *This message was transferred with a trial version of >>>>> CommuniGate(tm) Pro* >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I've been very sick over the weekend, and I don't think I should >>>>> try to make the Tuesday meeting tomorrow. Why don't you >>>>> communicate among yourselves about whether to meet tomorrow or >>>>> not. >>>>> >>>>> Ren is working on some story boards for the food selection >>>>> interface, which I'd like to share with everyone as soon as >>>>> possible. Maybe we could look at those before the Thursday >>>>> afternoon committee meeting. We spent a good amount of time >>>>> working through the logic for the food selection UI last week, and >>>>> distilled it down to some fairly clean logic. >>>>> >>>>> After we've worked out the various modes for selecting the foods >>>>> (keyword, categories, saved sets, and meals), we will only need >>>>> to have a toggle for whether to show the graph, and a toggle for >>>>> whether or not we are building meals, and --if we are building >>>>> meals-- a "new/save" button. We will simply divide the screen >>>>> into quadrants as we drag each food (or each meal) onto the >>>>> display area. If we drag individual foods onto the display area >>>>> while we have the meal toggle active, the food will be added to >>>>> the meal we drop it onto. If we click the "new/save" button, the >>>>> display will open a new meal quadrant, and any meals on the screen >>>>> are saved. The graph will display for all the foods/meals if the >>>>> graph toggle is active. >>>>> >>>>> We are thinking there should be maybe 3-4 sets of nutrients for >>>>> the graph display. The teacher should be able to click on one of >>>>> these standard sets and see fat-protein-calories, >>>>> vitaminC-vitaminA-vitaminB, etc. There would be a way to open a >>>>> more complicated control panel to select custom sets of nutrients. >>>>> >>>>> Ren's graphics will demonstrate how this works, so we can discuss >>>>> it and refine the ideas further. >>>>> >>>>> Let me know whether you can meet on Thursday about 1:00. >>>>> >>>>> --Skip >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Hecdev mailing list >>>>> Hecdev@spvi.com >>>>> http://mailman.spvi.com/mailman/listinfo/hecdev >>>>> >>>> Verlyn C. Wilson,M.S. Technology Coordinator >>>> Ruth Lilly Health Education Center >>>> 2055 N Senate Ave >>>> Indianapolis,IN 46202 Phone: 317-924-0904 >>>> >>>> e-mail: verlynw@rlhec.org >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Hecdev mailing list >>>> Hecdev@spvi.com >>>> http://mailman.spvi.com/mailman/listinfo/hecdev >>>> >>> Verlyn C. Wilson, Technology Coordinator >>> Ruth Lilly Health Education Center >>> 2055 N Senate Ave >>> Indianapolis,IN 46202 Phone: 317-924-0904 >>> >>> e-mail: verlynw@rlhec.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Hecdev mailing list >>> Hecdev@spvi.com >>> http://mailman.spvi.com/mailman/listinfo/hecdev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hecdev mailing list >> Hecdev@spvi.com >> http://mailman.spvi.com/mailman/listinfo/hecdev > > _______________________________________________ > Hecdev mailing list > Hecdev@spvi.com > http://mailman.spvi.com/mailman/listinfo/hecdev From skip at skipcomer.com Tue Nov 18 19:15:23 2003 From: skip at skipcomer.com (Skip Comer) Date: Tue Nov 18 19:10:45 2003 Subject: [Hecdev] Director/Flash mysteries In-Reply-To: <8D06F64B-1A12-11D8-BC82-000393468020@spvi.com> Message-ID: <77F3C359-1A25-11D8-AD5D-000393A575D2@skipcomer.com> Hi Steve, OK.... here's another little known fact about Flash/Director interaction: I kept trying things until I noticed that the localConnection scripts were only running when I jumped to a particular location in the score, even though I had identical scripts in the locations where things didn't work. The difference was that there were sprites that started their spans in the score at the good location. If I broke the sprite spans in the non-working location, things worked properly. My conclusion was that Director was saving some work by not updating the Flash sprite unless it had to redraw the screen. It didn't go for a simple updateStage or sending a beginSprite event... but I could send the Flash sprite to frame 1 and get it to work...! From steve at spvi.com Tue Nov 18 22:36:08 2003 From: steve at spvi.com (Steve Spicklemire) Date: Tue Nov 18 22:36:49 2003 Subject: [Hecdev] Director/Flash mysteries In-Reply-To: <77F3C359-1A25-11D8-AD5D-000393A575D2@skipcomer.com> References: <77F3C359-1A25-11D8-AD5D-000393A575D2@skipcomer.com> Message-ID: <83406820-1A41-11D8-A745-000393468020@spvi.com> On Nov 18, 2003, at 7:15 PM, Skip Comer wrote: > Hi Steve, > > OK.... here's another little known fact about Flash/Director > interaction: I kept trying things until I noticed that the > localConnection scripts were only running when I jumped to a > particular location in the score, even though I had identical scripts > in the locations where things didn't work. The difference was that > there were sprites that started their spans in the score at the good > location. > Ack! > If I broke the sprite spans in the non-working location, things worked > properly. My conclusion was that Director was saving some work by not > updating the Flash sprite unless it had to redraw the screen. It > didn't go for a simple updateStage or sending a beginSprite event... > but I could send the Flash sprite to frame 1 and get it to work...! You mean you could get it to work by sending the flash movieclip to frame 1 of its own internal timeline, or by sending the sprite containing the flash movieclip to the first frame of the sprite's timeline within the director movie? (Sheesh!) If it's the former, I think it could be bad, since the internal logic of the movieclip could be badly broken by moving it around on its timeline. If it's the second, I don't suppose it's so terrible. Is there any direct relationship between sprite frames, and flash frames? wow. -steve > > _______________________________________________ > Hecdev mailing list > Hecdev@spvi.com > http://mailman.spvi.com/mailman/listinfo/hecdev From skip at skipcomer.com Wed Nov 19 11:16:23 2003 From: skip at skipcomer.com (Skip Comer) Date: Wed Nov 19 11:11:43 2003 Subject: [Hecdev] Director/Flash mysteries In-Reply-To: <83406820-1A41-11D8-A745-000393468020@spvi.com> Message-ID: Hi Steve, I had to send the Flash movieclip to frame 1 of its internal timeline.... I could probably send the Flash sprite to any frame and get the same result, but in our case, the Flash movie only has the one frame. I was assuming that there was a connection between the Director timeline frames, and the Flash timeline --at least that we would update things every time an enterFrame/stepFrame event happened in Director... but it looks like they are trying to optimize performance by ignoring Flash unless there's a reason to check in. --Skip On Tuesday, November 18, 2003, at 10:36 PM, Steve Spicklemire wrote: > On Nov 18, 2003, at 7:15 PM, Skip Comer wrote: > >> Hi Steve, >> >> OK.... here's another little known fact about Flash/Director >> interaction: I kept trying things until I noticed that the >> localConnection scripts were only running when I jumped to a >> particular location in the score, even though I had identical scripts >> in the locations where things didn't work. The difference was that >> there were sprites that started their spans in the score at the good >> location. >> > > Ack! > >> If I broke the sprite spans in the non-working location, things >> worked properly. My conclusion was that Director was saving some >> work by not updating the Flash sprite unless it had to redraw the >> screen. It didn't go for a simple updateStage or sending a >> beginSprite event... but I could send the Flash sprite to frame 1 and >> get it to work...! > > You mean you could get it to work by sending the flash movieclip to > frame 1 of its own internal timeline, or by sending the sprite > containing the flash movieclip to the first frame of the sprite's > timeline within the director movie? (Sheesh!) If it's the former, I > think it could be bad, since the internal logic of the movieclip could > be badly broken by moving it around on its timeline. If it's the > second, I don't suppose it's so terrible. Is there any direct > relationship between sprite frames, and flash frames? > > wow. > -steve > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hecdev mailing list >> Hecdev@spvi.com >> http://mailman.spvi.com/mailman/listinfo/hecdev > > _______________________________________________ > Hecdev mailing list > Hecdev@spvi.com > http://mailman.spvi.com/mailman/listinfo/hecdev From renhuang at iupui.edu Tue Nov 25 22:31:18 2003 From: renhuang at iupui.edu (RenJiun) Date: Tue Nov 25 09:32:08 2003 Subject: [Hecdev] Today's meeting Message-ID: <1069770678.85379.jared@mail2000.com.tw> Guys, I am really sorry. I did not feel good and will take some rest at home this morning. I am so sorry I can not go to the meeting. This is my home number (317)513-1933 Please call me anytime if you want to connect me. Skip and Jolene, If I will feel better this noon, I will go to my office this afternoon. If I miss any importment discussion from today's meeting, please let me know. Thank you. Ren From rscomer at iupui.edu Tue Nov 25 11:19:55 2003 From: rscomer at iupui.edu (Comer, Robert Skipworth) Date: Tue Nov 25 11:21:20 2003 Subject: [Hecdev] Today's meeting Message-ID: Hi Ren, Hope you feel better soon. There's a nasty bug going around, so get some rest if you need it. --Skip -----Original Message----- From: hecdev-bounces@spvi.com [mailto:hecdev-bounces@spvi.com] On Behalf Of RenJiun Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 9:31 AM To: hecdev@spvi.com Subject: [Hecdev] Today's meeting Guys, I am really sorry. I did not feel good and will take some rest at home this morning. I am so sorry I can not go to the meeting. This is my home number (317)513-1933 Please call me anytime if you want to connect me. Skip and Jolene, If I will feel better this noon, I will go to my office this afternoon. If I miss any importment discussion from today's meeting, please let me know. Thank you. Ren _______________________________________________ Hecdev mailing list Hecdev@spvi.com http://mailman.spvi.com/mailman/listinfo/hecdev From verlynw at rlhec.org Tue Nov 25 16:29:12 2003 From: verlynw at rlhec.org (Verlyn C. Wilson) Date: Tue Nov 25 11:29:16 2003 Subject: [Hecdev] Today's meeting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5FAB3E8E-1DED-11B2-9288-000A95A0007C@rlhec.org> Ren, Sorry you are sick--it's a bad bug--Skip's had it, I've got it--as have others here at the center. Take care. Verlyn On Tuesday, November 25, 2003, at 11:19 AM, Comer, Robert Skipworth wrote: > Hi Ren, > > Hope you feel better soon. There's a nasty bug going around, so get > some rest if you need it. > > --Skip > > -----Original Message----- From: hecdev-bounces@spvi.com > [mailto:hecdev-bounces@spvi.com] On Behalf Of RenJiun > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 9:31 AM > To: hecdev@spvi.com > Subject: [Hecdev] Today's meeting > > Guys, > > I am really sorry. I did not feel good and will take some > rest at home this morning. I am so sorry I can not go to the > meeting. This is my home number (317)513-1933 Please call > me anytime if you want to connect me. > > Skip and Jolene, > If I will feel better this noon, I will go to my office this > afternoon. If I miss any importment discussion from today's > meeting, please let me know. Thank you. > > Ren > > _______________________________________________ > Hecdev mailing list > Hecdev@spvi.com > http://mailman.spvi.com/mailman/listinfo/hecdev > > _______________________________________________ > Hecdev mailing list > Hecdev@spvi.com > http://mailman.spvi.com/mailman/listinfo/hecdev > Verlyn C. Wilson, Technology Coordinator Ruth Lilly Health Education Center 2055 N Senate Ave Indianapolis,IN 46202 Phone: 317-924-0904 e-mail: verlynw@rlhec.org From rscomer at iupui.edu Tue Nov 25 16:55:57 2003 From: rscomer at iupui.edu (Comer, Robert Skipworth) Date: Tue Nov 25 16:57:23 2003 Subject: [Hecdev] InstantXML Message-ID: Hi Steve, After my meeting, I sat down and converted the map movie with the code changes you did for the keypad movie. It works. --and no crashes-- I can put both the map and the keypads inside Director (or one in, one out), and have them respond to each other. All I did was change the line in the InstantXMLclip() function to create the statusChecker object, then I put the doConnect() function call in the init function. Is there anything else I should do? Will this take care of both instantXML and XML-RPC, or do I need to do something else? It only worked with movies on my local hard drive, but I'm assuming I need to set up the config file to talk to the server, right? Thanks! -Skip From steve at spvi.com Tue Nov 25 17:01:03 2003 From: steve at spvi.com (Steve Spicklemire) Date: Tue Nov 25 17:01:41 2003 Subject: [Hecdev] InstantXML In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Skip, yes.. that should be it. I'm cleaning up some of the code right now. I should have another update tonight, or in the morning. I know the XMLRPC is OK. I haven't done as much testing with the InstantXML. I'll send a note when I post the code. -steve On Nov 25, 2003, at 4:55 PM, Comer, Robert Skipworth wrote: > Hi Steve, > > After my meeting, I sat down and converted the map movie with the code > changes you did for the keypad movie. It works. --and no crashes-- I > can put both the map and the keypads inside Director (or one in, one > out), and have them respond to each other. All I did was change the > line in the InstantXMLclip() function to create the statusChecker > object, then I put the doConnect() function call in the init function. > > Is there anything else I should do? Will this take care of both > instantXML and XML-RPC, or do I need to do something else? > > It only worked with movies on my local hard drive, but I'm assuming I > need to set up the config file to talk to the server, right? > > Thanks! > > -Skip > > _______________________________________________ > Hecdev mailing list > Hecdev@spvi.com > http://mailman.spvi.com/mailman/listinfo/hecdev From rscomer at iupui.edu Tue Nov 25 17:05:26 2003 From: rscomer at iupui.edu (Comer, Robert Skipworth) Date: Tue Nov 25 17:06:51 2003 Subject: [Hecdev] InstantXML Message-ID: It's working beautifully. I just put the RLHEC url into the config file, and I'm driving the map on the server with the keypad in Director. --Skip -----Original Message----- From: hecdev-bounces@spvi.com [mailto:hecdev-bounces@spvi.com] On Behalf Of Steve Spicklemire Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 5:01 PM To: HEC Development Cc: Steve Spicklemire Subject: Re: [Hecdev] InstantXML Hi Skip, yes.. that should be it. I'm cleaning up some of the code right now. I should have another update tonight, or in the morning. I know the XMLRPC is OK. I haven't done as much testing with the InstantXML. I'll send a note when I post the code. -steve On Nov 25, 2003, at 4:55 PM, Comer, Robert Skipworth wrote: > Hi Steve, > > After my meeting, I sat down and converted the map movie with the code > changes you did for the keypad movie. It works. --and no crashes-- I > can put both the map and the keypads inside Director (or one in, one > out), and have them respond to each other. All I did was change the > line in the InstantXMLclip() function to create the statusChecker > object, then I put the doConnect() function call in the init function. > > Is there anything else I should do? Will this take care of both > instantXML and XML-RPC, or do I need to do something else? > > It only worked with movies on my local hard drive, but I'm assuming I > need to set up the config file to talk to the server, right? > > Thanks! > > -Skip > > _______________________________________________ > Hecdev mailing list > Hecdev@spvi.com > http://mailman.spvi.com/mailman/listinfo/hecdev _______________________________________________ Hecdev mailing list Hecdev@spvi.com http://mailman.spvi.com/mailman/listinfo/hecdev From skip at skipcomer.com Tue Nov 25 19:18:08 2003 From: skip at skipcomer.com (Skip Comer) Date: Tue Nov 25 19:13:21 2003 Subject: [Hecdev] InstantXML In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0321275C-1FA6-11D8-960F-000393A575D2@skipcomer.com> Hi Steve, I'm trying to put the new code into my existing "client" flash movie now, and I'm a little confused... I see how the instantXML works, with putting the doConnect() function in the init() function, but would I need to put a similar function in the init() function to create an XMLRPChelper object? --or is already created somewhere else for me? And would it take the place of the LocalConnection object I'm using now, or would I still use the LocalConnection object instead of XMLRPC inside Director? --Skip On Tuesday, November 25, 2003, at 05:01 PM, Steve Spicklemire wrote: > Hi Skip, > > yes.. that should be it. I'm cleaning up some of the code right now. I > should have another update tonight, or in the morning. I know the > XMLRPC is OK. I haven't done as much testing with the InstantXML. I'll > send a note when I post the code. > > -steve > > On Nov 25, 2003, at 4:55 PM, Comer, Robert Skipworth wrote: > >> Hi Steve, >> >> After my meeting, I sat down and converted the map movie with the code >> changes you did for the keypad movie. It works. --and no crashes-- I >> can put both the map and the keypads inside Director (or one in, one >> out), and have them respond to each other. All I did was change the >> line in the InstantXMLclip() function to create the statusChecker >> object, then I put the doConnect() function call in the init function. >> >> Is there anything else I should do? Will this take care of both >> instantXML and XML-RPC, or do I need to do something else? >> >> It only worked with movies on my local hard drive, but I'm assuming I >> need to set up the config file to talk to the server, right? >> >> Thanks! >> >> -Skip >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Hecdev mailing list >> Hecdev@spvi.com >> http://mailman.spvi.com/mailman/listinfo/hecdev > > _______________________________________________ > Hecdev mailing list > Hecdev@spvi.com > http://mailman.spvi.com/mailman/listinfo/hecdev From skip at skipcomer.com Tue Nov 25 21:51:41 2003 From: skip at skipcomer.com (Skip Comer) Date: Tue Nov 25 21:46:56 2003 Subject: [Hecdev] XMLRPCtest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <76587E08-1FBB-11D8-960F-000393A575D2@skipcomer.com> Hi Steve, I tried a test with the XMLRPC setup, and I'm having problems. Here's what I did: In the XMLRPC client movie, I modified the responseSuccess() method with this: > p.responseSuccess = function(result) { > this.trace("Got responseSuccess from XMLRPC"); > _root.data_received = "true"; > _root.xmlObj = result; > }; Then in the first frame of the root timeline, I put this function: > sendToServer = function (methodName, arg) { > _root.data_received = "false"; > _root.xmlObj = {}; > trace("sendToServer: "+_global.serializeObject(arg)); > clientClipObject.helper.callMethod(methodName, arg); > }; Next, I imported the modified Flash movie into Director, started it playing, and put the following two lines into the message window: > gXMLrpc = sprite(1).getVariable("_level0",false) > > gXMLrpc.sendToServer("http://mail.rlhec.org:9080/HEC_Control/HEC/ > portal_skins/custom/get_programs") The flash movie gave me messages saying the response came back, and when I checked the Object Inspector, I could see that _root.data_received was "true", but _root.xmlObj was . I've tried several variations of this without success. Could you play with it and see if you can get anything back from the server? thanks, --Skip From renhuang at iupui.edu Wed Nov 26 22:20:46 2003 From: renhuang at iupui.edu (RenJiun) Date: Wed Nov 26 09:21:41 2003 Subject: [Hecdev] Today's meeting Message-ID: <1069856446.39068.jared@mail2000.com.tw> Thank you, Skip and Verlyn. After taking whole day rest yesterday, I already felt much better today and came back to office. Thank you so much for your concern. Tomorrow is Thanksgiving. Wish you guys have a wonderful vocation. Ren -----Original message----- From:Comer, Robert Skipworth To:renhuang@iupui.edu,HEC Development Date:Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:19:55 -0500 Subject:RE: [Hecdev] Today's meeting Hi Ren, Hope you feel better soon. There's a nasty bug going around, so get some rest if you need it. --Skip -----Original Message----- From: hecdev-bounces@spvi.com [mailto:hecdev-bounces@spvi.com] On Behalf Of RenJiun Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 9:31 AM To: hecdev@spvi.com Subject: [Hecdev] Today's meeting Guys, I am really sorry. I did not feel good and will take some rest at home this morning. I am so sorry I can not go to the meeting. This is my home number (317)513-1933 Please call me anytime if you want to connect me. Skip and Jolene, If I will feel better this noon, I will go to my office this afternoon. If I miss any importment discussion from today's meeting, please let me know. Thank you. Ren _______________________________________________ Hecdev mailing list Hecdev@spvi.com http://mailman.spvi.com/mailman/listinfo/hecdev _______________________________________________ Hecdev mailing list Hecdev@spvi.com http://mailman.spvi.com/mailman/listinfo/hecdev From skip at skipcomer.com Wed Nov 26 10:06:06 2003 From: skip at skipcomer.com (Skip Comer) Date: Wed Nov 26 10:25:24 2003 Subject: [Hecdev] User Testing/ Media Library User Interface In-Reply-To: <1069856446.39068.jared@mail2000.com.tw> Message-ID: <0F3628D5-2022-11D8-A038-000393A575D2@skipcomer.com> Hi Verlyn, I discussed the timing of a user test with Jolene yesterday, and we would like to schedule an initial test for Friday, Dec. 5. That's the day Brian Miller is scheduled to present his heart monitor project. I'm thinking that after his presentation we could take some number of teachers through the user testing --say, 5-8 subjects? We know we don't have the UI in a finalized form, but I am advocating that we go ahead and start some tests for a couple of reasons: --It will give the teachers some direct involvement with our project, and an opportunity to comment/contribute their thoughts --Even though we think there are problems with the existing design, the user test will still give us helpful info, and verify the problems we know about. Jolene thinks the test will take about 15 minutes per subject. She has 10 tasks, and a short questionnaire. We might be able to speed things up by having more than one setup for giving the test. Could you check to see if the timing will work, and get some test subjects lined up? This will be the first in a series of tests. We'll probably do another one in January. Right now, we are only testing features for the media library/authoring environment UI, not the presentation UI. Jolene, Check one thing for me about your graphics: When I tried using it, it seemed necessary to scroll on each screen, but I noticed you were clicking links without needing to scroll. Check to be sure the test subjects won't need to scroll to do any of the tasks. You might just need to turn off some browser buttons, etc. Ren, Glad to hear you're feeling better. Check with Jolene to see if there's any graphics support she needs to get the test ready for next week. She still has a couple of user tasks to create. Thanks! --Skip From steve at spvi.com Wed Nov 26 10:41:17 2003 From: steve at spvi.com (Steve Spicklemire) Date: Wed Nov 26 10:41:54 2003 Subject: [Hecdev] User Testing/ Media Library User Interface In-Reply-To: <0F3628D5-2022-11D8-A038-000393A575D2@skipcomer.com> References: <0F3628D5-2022-11D8-A038-000393A575D2@skipcomer.com> Message-ID: Skip.. I got your message. Did you upload your source somewhere so I can take a peek? thanks! -steve On Nov 26, 2003, at 10:06 AM, Skip Comer wrote: > Hi Verlyn, > > I discussed the timing of a user test with Jolene yesterday, and we > would like to schedule an initial test for Friday, Dec. 5. That's the > day Brian Miller is scheduled to present his heart monitor project. > I'm thinking that after his presentation we could take some number of > teachers through the user testing --say, 5-8 subjects? We know we > don't have the UI in a finalized form, but I am advocating that we go > ahead and start some tests for a couple of reasons: > > --It will give the teachers some direct involvement with our project, > and an opportunity to comment/contribute their thoughts > --Even though we think there are problems with the existing design, > the user test will still give us helpful info, and verify the problems > we know about. > > Jolene thinks the test will take about 15 minutes per subject. She > has 10 tasks, and a short questionnaire. We might be able to speed > things up by having more than one setup for giving the test. > > Could you check to see if the timing will work, and get some test > subjects lined up? This will be the first in a series of tests. > We'll probably do another one in January. Right now, we are only > testing features for the media library/authoring environment UI, not > the presentation UI. > > > Jolene, > > Check one thing for me about your graphics: When I tried using it, it > seemed necessary to scroll on each screen, but I noticed you were > clicking links without needing to scroll. Check to be sure the test > subjects won't need to scroll to do any of the tasks. You might just > need to turn off some browser buttons, etc. > > Ren, > > Glad to hear you're feeling better. Check with Jolene to see if > there's any graphics support she needs to get the test ready for next > week. She still has a couple of user tasks to create. > > Thanks! > > --Skip > > _______________________________________________ > Hecdev mailing list > Hecdev@spvi.com > http://mailman.spvi.com/mailman/listinfo/hecdev